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Post by Shifty on Nov 13, 2013 13:46:14 GMT 9.5
So, for any of you that might be curious, here's how I did the working of the Glassworks economy as per the Ultimate Campaign rules. Obviously, you can make any changes to it you want by adding or removing rooms. Maybe you don't want the staff to be able to have a bath or a kitchen because it interferes with their productivity, or whatever. This is how I see each room fitting into the rules at the moment. You can compare them to the Ultimate Campaign rooms list here: Ultimate Campaign rooms listand here is a picture of the glassworks as it stands at the moment: And here's a rundown of each room and its function as per Ultimate Campaign rules: The cost is the amount it would've cost to build the room from scratch, the benefit refers to what the room can "earn" per day. I'll just give you a quick rundown of what the earnings mean and what you use them for. GP = Income (confusingly... in silver pieces), INF = Influence (an abstraction of the reputation of the Glassworks in town, which is what you might need to convince the Scarnettis that the business is viable), L = Labour, and G = Goods (if you want to use the factory to build a certain item, rather than to sell it on, you will need "goods", an abstraction of physical objects). CAP = Capital, which can be applied to any of the above. | Map ID | Room name | Room function | Cost | Benefit | | A1 | Display room | Reliquary | 260gp | GP or INF +5 (bonus +1 to knowledge checks) | | A2 | Store room | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A3 | Cleaning closet | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A4 | Store room | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A5 | Servants quarters | Bunks | 400gp | GP +12 | | A6 | Dining room | Common room | 300gp | GP or INF +7 | | A7 | Wash room | Lavatory | 120gp | +2 vs saving throws against disease while working | | A8 | Kitchen | Kitchen | 160gp | GP or G +4 | | A9 | Pantry | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A10 | Store room | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A11 | Meeting room | Sitting room | 480gp | INF +4 (+1 to social skill checks while in the room) | | A12 | Reception | Storefront | 190gp | CAP +5 | | A13 | Office | Office | 120gp | Diddily squat | | A14 | Files | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A15 | Preperation room | Workstation | 300gp | GP, G, or L +8 | | A16 | Loading room | Workstation | 300gp | GP, G, or INF +8 | | A17 | Glassworks | Artisan's Workshop x 2, Forge | 720 + 370 = 1,090gp | GP, G, or INF +30 | | A19 | Underground storage | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A20 | Storage | Storage | 120gp | GP +2 | | A21 | Storage | Cell | 180gp | N/A (This is where Ameiko was imprisoned, so I listed it as a cell, but it could be converted back to storage at no cost) | | A22 | Secret office | Office/Secret room | 120 + 220 = 340gp | DC 20 secret door | | A23 | Smugglers tunnel | Escape route | 360gp | DC 20 secret door, secret exit to Catacombs of Wrath |
The total cost of all that is 5,560gp. But you'll only pay the cost to repair it from the broken condition, which is 2,780gp Then I added eight workers (now, keep in mind, you haven't actually hired any of these people yet). A Guildmaster (Artisan's guild) who actually costs -3 GP, but enables the operation to keep running while you're not there. A Bureaucrat, for keeping track of shipments, GP or INF +4 2 Labourers, for luggging around the sand and lime and whatnot, GP or L +2 each 4 Craftspeople, to actually make the damn glass, GP, G or L +4 each. So! All that comes to a total of the following earnings bonus per day: GP +116 INF +61 G +71 L +45 |
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Post by Shifty on Nov 13, 2013 13:48:40 GMT 9.5
Wow. That was tiresome.
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Post by Shifty on Nov 13, 2013 13:57:26 GMT 9.5
I noticed that I made an error or two in the final calculations of how much the place can earn, so the final figure is actually between 11 gp 7 sp and 13 gp 7 sp. Which amounts to 12 gp 7 sp if you take 10 on the earnings check, and couldn't be bothered rolling the dice every day. There are also a couple of "events" that can occasionally occur, as listed here: Downtime shop events |
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Post by Henric on Nov 13, 2013 19:53:38 GMT 9.5
What are the time constraints of getting all this happening?
I think I can speak for everyone when I say, I just really want to get the glass works up and running. As long as the rest of the mercantile league are happy that it is running in a month, I'm not too fussed.
This being said, I think we need to make sure the guy in charge of running the place is wise to the fact that underneath the glass works there is something that needs to kept secret. He doesn't need to know a whole lot, but make sure that the rest of the workers don't stumble down there. Kinda like that bald dude that ran the laundry factory above the meth lab in breaking bad...
If Morkus drops the required 2,780 will we be able to hire the labourers required to clean the place up and get it running again within the month? Is that how it works?
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Post by Shifty on Nov 13, 2013 20:12:50 GMT 9.5
What are the time constraints of getting all this happening? I think I can speak for everyone when I say, I just really want to get the glass works up and running. As long as the rest of the mercantile league are happy that it is running in a month, I'm not too fussed. This being said, I think we need to make sure the guy in charge of running the place is wise to the fact that underneath the glass works there is something that needs to kept secret. He doesn't need to know a whole lot, but make sure that the rest of the workers don't stumble down there. Kinda like that bald dude that ran the laundry factory above the meth lab in breaking bad... If Morkus drops the required 2,780 will we be able to hire the labourers required to clean the place up and get it running again within the month? Is that how it works? There are time constraints for building everything. To repair something from the broken condition, the time constraint will be halved. The 2,780gp fee includes labour for all repairs. As for how long it will all take, well... I did just notice this in the Ultimate Campaign guide: If the settlement's nature is contrary to the kind of building or organization you're trying to construct or create (such as a Black Market or Thieves' Guild in a settlement with low Crime and high Law settlement modifiers), the GM might decide that construction or recruitment takes 1d6 × 10% longer than normal (minimum 1 extra day) if you aren't monitoring the work. But that part would only really apply to the secret underground lair. It's weird, different rooms get built at different speeds, so the whole building will be finished when the room with the largest build time is repaired, and strangely enough, that's the bunkhouse. The bunkhouse would be finished in 12 days, but all the parts of the building necessary for actually making the glass would be finished in only 10 days. It seems very odd to me that fixing a complex glassblowers workshop would take longer than putting back together a couple of bunk beds. As for the guy running the front business. Well, I would just pay him a little extra to keep his mouth shut. So the cost of hiring the Guildmaster would go up to... shall we say -5gp? That's effectively the same cost as hiring a Guildmaster at a thieves guild. |
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Post by rume2finguz on Nov 13, 2013 22:32:22 GMT 9.5
I think I can speak for everyone when I say, I just really want to get the glass works up and running. As long as the rest of the mercantile league are happy that it is running in a month, I'm not too fussed. I'm totally down for this but considering it's all Morkus' financial backing and I've got - er - short funds, I stand to gain rather than lose from anything done by the group here. |
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Post by morkus on Nov 13, 2013 22:40:50 GMT 9.5
For the sake of running a smooth game I'll pay everything needed out of the 10k treasure. I imagine Morkus as a character would want to see some solid returns on his investment. Obviously having a secret base is going to help with that but I really like the idea of using the pirate ship to smuggle etc as a source of income. In order to do that maybe forming an alliance with the ship builders is a decent idea. Heck I'm sure we could talk some into joining the pirate crew.
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Post by Shifty on Nov 13, 2013 23:34:36 GMT 9.5
Well, it's actually a weird problem with game balance if Morkus is swanning around with that much disposable cash. It's a bit of a metagame, I'm almost reluctant to talk about it, but basically... because of an unexpected situation, the character ended up obscenely above his expected "wealth per level". Each character is expected to have a certain amount of money with which to buy items that allow them to weild a certain amount of power. If one 4th level character is walking around with the equivalent of 7th level equipment, I've got to start throwing 7th level threats against him to keep it interesting, and that obviously puts the other characters, who are still carrying 3rd level equipment, in danger. So, Morkus blowing his dough on something like this is not only cool as fuck because you get a hideout and shit, it also makes it easier for me to keep the game balanced. All without totally screwing Alex over, because he still gets an investment opportunity out of it.
It's a much better solution than just letting a rust monster have lunch in his cargo hold.
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Post by morkus on Nov 14, 2013 20:43:50 GMT 9.5
Maybe some of the pirate NPCs could take up lodging and fill positions. Cutthroat Grok would probably like to have an armory of some description and Sandra might even be able to consecrate the shrine.
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Post by Shifty on Nov 14, 2013 21:08:02 GMT 9.5
Maybe some of the pirate NPCs could take up lodging and fill positions. Cutthroat Grok would probably like to have an armory of some description and Sandra might even be able to consecrate the shrine. Oh yeah! I totally didn't think of that! Sandara could definitely cast Consecrate for free. Perhaps area B2 of the Catacombs would be a good spot for Cutthroat's armory? I could have it generate random magical equipment like I was planning to do with her quartermster's store, and have it available for sale at a discount. |
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